David, David, David. You've admitted to much.
"Excuse me, I'm stupid." you proclaim.
Yes. Yes you are.
Let me make it crystal clear for you David.
My values are mine. Your values are yours. Apply your values to your own life. I'll apply mine to mine. God will judge you based on your living of your life. Is it perfection? Oops! Not good enough for God. Sorry.
And what does it say about a state that doesn't allow for the views of others? Wanna live in Iran? I hear they don't allow abortions either (legally anyway).
For those values that as a society we see we want to globally introduce and legislate, we do. For example, murder. Murder is easily seen as something we as a society we want to prevent and punish those who commit murder (there are, of course, exceptions to that, like for instance when someone kills to prevent being killed, or kills accidentally and without malice or intent). 99.9% of us (excempting the especially mentally ill who might disagree with me) think murder is wrong, and we can all agree on that. Done deal.
But just because your particular reading of the Bible (by no means universal sir, many others read the same book you do and come to different conclusions), you decide for everyone
that God thinks that a clump of a dozen or so cells has the same importance and value as a fully grown child or woman, well, that's a bit harder swallow. How do we resolve a conflict like that? How do we resolve other conflicts like this in our country?
1. Ensure that our state is a pluralistic, inclusive and just society (as per the Charter of Rights and Freedoms). That's what seperates us as a country from Iran.
I appreciate your point of view as I have held that view in the past as a child.
But after growing up and realizing that I live in a imperfect world with imperfect people who live imperfect lives, sometimes we need to make compromises. Just like God did when he told Moses that he would grant the Jews rights to have divorces. Imperfect, grey rules for imperfect people. But the point was it preserved their society and made their lives better. Sure, it wasn't God's intention for people to have divorces, but hey, people suck.
Sure, its nice and easy and black and white to tell a 11 year old girl who was raped that she should keep that group of cells for 9 months and take a year off of school because its illegal to have an abortion, but is that really what all would agree to? Or what God would desire and intend? You know though, right? You are sure enough that you know what God wants, right? Hey, I heard the church used to say slavery was OK too. Oops.
See some shades of grey man! Life is grey. Life isn't quite so black and white as you so badly want it to be.
And besides, what would you rather accomplish David? Seriously, ask yourself this question.
Do I want to make abortion illegal, or do I want to reduce the number of abortions in Canada?
If you truly want to reduce the number of abortions in Canada, making them illegal isn't going to get you there. Women since the beginning of time have found ways to have abortions with or without help from the state, with or without it being legal, and even more shocking have committed infanticide
because of unwanted children.
Dead babies, or a few cells removed? If you got your way I wouldn't at all be surprised with dead babies found in trashcans
on a regular basis. Society puts massive pressures on women.
Want to reduce abortions? Glen Stassen makes the case
that the number one priority is to make sure women are secure, economically and socially. Makes sense, doesn't it! So, does that mean you are going to lead the charge to raise minimum wage and ensure a more progressive tax system in Canada, ensure large swaths of social housing is built and a welfare program that is the envy of the world.... you gonna get right on that, hmm David
Jerk-off's like you want to make the issue o-so-simple. Just because people like Martin and Kerry see a more nuanced solution like dealing with the root causes, you accuse them of having wanting consciences.